Paul Simon Public Policy Institute Director John Shaw

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This week we speak with John Shaw, Director of the Paul Simon Public Policy Institute at Southern Illinois University, on the act of statesmanship. At a time when our politics, media, even our leaders are politically polarized, where are our leaders? We talk about some leaders who have put country ahead of party. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration: 33m